Comments on: 8 Bold Predictions for Web 2.0 in 2008 http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/ The Gruesome Diary of an Online Marketer Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:51:46 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Vjeran http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-2341 Vjeran Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:41:47 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-2341 Hehe funny thing about ruby! However, PHP still rocks and it will rock for a long time! Phyton is also cool and has some great concepts. I just knew about ruby when all fancy designers and people who don't know anything about programming where talking .. ruby ruby (they allways do such things. hahaha), while when u take a look at Java and .net . heh. No comment (state of art 4 coding) Before we where script kids, then we went to more serious stuff (me .net and OOP).. Then because of stupid MS-like people attitude (including developers and MS) i was feeling sad. Still now when i had grow up, my mighty formula is this: no more webforms (i still program in webforms) - use ajax, no more DAL coding (codesmith rocks! if u know how to code), WWF - is something really cool - still noone mentions it. LINQ - i don't know it. Don't use it.. And 4 me it's more like, i dunno.. different approach and too much confusing in relation to "old school". Good thing about .net is that it has split itself into to parts: one is open source and the other are blind MS followers. Phyton - heh. really cool. Old school and much more! Game programmers use it, google use it.. etc. Very powerful and unix. Hehe funny thing about ruby! However, PHP still rocks and it will rock for a long time! Phyton is also cool and has some great concepts. I just knew about ruby when all fancy designers and people who don’t know anything about programming where talking .. ruby ruby (they allways do such things. hahaha), while when u take a look at Java and .net . heh. No comment (state of art 4 coding)
Before we where script kids, then we went to more serious stuff (me .net and OOP).. Then because of stupid MS-like people attitude (including developers and MS) i was feeling sad.
Still now when i had grow up, my mighty formula is this: no more webforms (i still program in webforms) – use ajax, no more DAL coding (codesmith rocks! if u know how to code), WWF – is something really cool – still noone mentions it.
LINQ – i don’t know it. Don’t use it.. And 4 me it’s more like, i dunno.. different approach and too much confusing in relation to “old school”.
Good thing about .net is that it has split itself into to parts: one is open source and the other are blind MS followers.
Phyton – heh. really cool. Old school and much more! Game programmers use it, google use it.. etc. Very powerful and unix.

]]> By: Microsoft and Yahoo Part 4: Follow Up http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1607 Microsoft and Yahoo Part 4: Follow Up Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:18:49 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1607 [...] a final note, major props to Aaron Stannard of Ajax Marketing Ninja who called this a month ago.  I'm sad to admit it but my first thought when I found out about this wasn't [...] [...] a final note, major props to Aaron Stannard of Ajax Marketing Ninja who called this a month ago.  I'm sad to admit it but my first thought when I found out about this wasn't [...]

]]> By: Aaronontheweb http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1602 Aaronontheweb Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:20:15 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1602 Hello Khushal, My batting average on those predictions has been pretty good thus far. Maybe I should take up fortune-telling in addition to blogging about web-based technology lol. Glad you remembered my predictions. Have you guys been able to get your Internet back up in India? How's that situation looking? Hello Khushal,

My batting average on those predictions has been pretty good thus far. Maybe I should take up fortune-telling in addition to blogging about web-based technology lol. Glad you remembered my predictions. Have you guys been able to get your Internet back up in India? How’s that situation looking?

]]> By: As I Predicted: Microsoft Moves to Acquire Yahoo! http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1601 As I Predicted: Microsoft Moves to Acquire Yahoo! Sat, 02 Feb 2008 06:18:51 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1601 [...] problem under control I can go ahead and write up my smug, self-congratulatory post on how well my 8  Bold Predictions for 2008 are turning out. Microsoft’s acquisition of Yahoo! doesn’t sound so insane now, does [...] [...] problem under control I can go ahead and write up my smug, self-congratulatory post on how well my 8  Bold Predictions for 2008 are turning out. Microsoft’s acquisition of Yahoo! doesn’t sound so insane now, does [...]

]]> By: Khushal Patel http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1599 Khushal Patel Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:42:22 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1599 Hello Aaron, Today Morning when I’ve reading the Daily News Paper here in India, One headline on the FrontPage is “Microsoft makes $42B bid for Yahoo” make me wonder that one of your predications are now Real. Hope now you’ll get start predicating common men’s future also :) lol Hello Aaron,

Today Morning when I’ve reading the Daily News Paper here in India, One headline on the FrontPage is “Microsoft makes $42B bid for Yahoo” make me wonder that one of your predications are now Real.

Hope now you’ll get start predicating common men’s future also :) lol

]]> By: Paul http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1515 Paul Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:56:51 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1515 You are right about Digg. I just tried to Digg your lead article. It asked me 5 times to enter the silly set of bitmapped characters to prove I was a human. 4 times it rejected them. Finally it believed me and then decided my subission was a duplicate (So the fuck what!) and gave me a list of clearly non-matching submissions. I clicked to override their opinion and Digg then decided to reject my submission entirely. Nice work! If you make it so difficult to submit anything no one will do it.. and what's with the categories: "Business and finance" now there's a specific label. How about "marketing", "Sales", "Finance", "management"... you get the idea - but perhaps that might encourage people who are interested in making money to use it "Yuckkk". You are right about Digg. I just tried to Digg your lead article. It asked me 5 times to enter the silly set of bitmapped characters to prove I was a human. 4 times it rejected them. Finally it believed me and then decided my subission was a duplicate (So the fuck what!) and gave me a list of clearly non-matching submissions. I clicked to override their opinion and Digg then decided to reject my submission entirely. Nice work!

If you make it so difficult to submit anything no one will do it.. and what’s with the categories: “Business and finance” now there’s a specific label. How about “marketing”, “Sales”, “Finance”, “management”… you get the idea – but perhaps that might encourage people who are interested in making money to use it “Yuckkk”.

]]> By: Aaronontheweb http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1500 Aaronontheweb Thu, 10 Jan 2008 08:46:01 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1500 @Dave, Man.... PHP programmers and Ruby-on-Rails programmers really get the shaft over in the U.K. on the payscale... Maybe I should brush up on my JAVA a little bit lol. @Dave,

Man…. PHP programmers and Ruby-on-Rails programmers really get the shaft over in the U.K. on the payscale… Maybe I should brush up on my JAVA a little bit lol.

]]> By: Dave Ward http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1498 Dave Ward Thu, 10 Jan 2008 01:11:18 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1498 @grimen: http://ifbywhiskey.com/blog/2007/04/20/acts_as_french_fries/ @grimen: http://ifbywhiskey.com/blog/2007/04/20/acts_as_french_fries/

]]> By: Finds of the Week - January 6, 2008 » Chinh Do http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1485 Finds of the Week - January 6, 2008 » Chinh Do Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:37:59 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1485 [...] made 8 Bold Predictions for Web 2.0 in 2008. One of the predictions is that Google will have its first failure in 2008. I thought Google [...] [...] made 8 Bold Predictions for Web 2.0 in 2008. One of the predictions is that Google will have its first failure in 2008. I thought Google [...]

]]> By: Aaronontheweb http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1480 Aaronontheweb Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:42:00 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1480 .NET has more tools available to it than Rails does. I want an instant DAL, I've got SubSonic. I want instant error logging, I've got ELMAH. If I want to do unit tests, I've got MBUnit, NUnit, and other frameworks. If I want to set up an instant membership management system, I've got the Roles, Membership, and Profiles API. If I want access to powerful debugging tools and the most rich IDE on earth, I've got the entire Visual Studio product line. Hell, I even get JavaScript debugging with Visual Studio Express 2008. Not to mention the great developments coming down the pike, like SilverLight development for rich media experiences that take less time to develop than common AJAX implementations, the MVC framework, ALT.NET, and the Dynamic Data controls. The best part is, if I wanted to incorporate Ruby into any of my .NET projects, I could do so by using IronRuby. The .NET Common Language Runtime and Dynamic Language Runtime offer a pretty wide variety of development options with the .NET framework. A quick FYI, unlike most programmers, I don't attach myself to a particular programming language for dogmatic reasons, so I never "chose a side." I chose the tool that would enable me to increase my personal productivity most, which is why I switched from PHP to .NET three years ago. I've never looked back, and frankly, .NET is just getting better and better. It's highly scalable, comes with a great IDE for free, offers rich page handling and composition, and has a great open source community that, as far as I know, doesn't start community-wide flamewars like the ones Zed described. .NET has more tools available to it than Rails does. I want an instant DAL, I’ve got SubSonic. I want instant error logging, I’ve got ELMAH. If I want to do unit tests, I’ve got MBUnit, NUnit, and other frameworks. If I want to set up an instant membership management system, I’ve got the Roles, Membership, and Profiles API. If I want access to powerful debugging tools and the most rich IDE on earth, I’ve got the entire Visual Studio product line. Hell, I even get JavaScript debugging with Visual Studio Express 2008. Not to mention the great developments coming down the pike, like SilverLight development for rich media experiences that take less time to develop than common AJAX implementations, the MVC framework, ALT.NET, and the Dynamic Data controls.

The best part is, if I wanted to incorporate Ruby into any of my .NET projects, I could do so by using IronRuby. The .NET Common Language Runtime and Dynamic Language Runtime offer a pretty wide variety of development options with the .NET framework.

A quick FYI, unlike most programmers, I don’t attach myself to a particular programming language for dogmatic reasons, so I never “chose a side.” I chose the tool that would enable me to increase my personal productivity most, which is why I switched from PHP to .NET three years ago. I’ve never looked back, and frankly, .NET is just getting better and better. It’s highly scalable, comes with a great IDE for free, offers rich page handling and composition, and has a great open source community that, as far as I know, doesn’t start community-wide flamewars like the ones Zed described.

]]> By: grimen http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1479 grimen Sun, 06 Jan 2008 05:24:19 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1479 Who cares what Zed Shaw said/says? He's just a furious programmer that get no job becuase he can't cooperate with people - today that's a no-no no matter how smart you are if you can't cooperate with (other) programmers. Einstein was no douch nor a whining baby. According to some psychology experts to be smart is to manage your environment - does he really? He'll regret that statement, because even if he got a lot of d*ckriders they need to ask theirselves if they dare to put him in an organisation - you know...where people collaborate. Rails 2.0 is now realeased and I expect more people to go in that direction. To start up ASP.NET- or Java-website is time consuming and things are moving fast today (Web *VERSION_NR* days), so better use a framework that makes it natural to write DRY and self explainable code - Ruby is a more humane/semantic syntax - and ethics like testing and RESTful. Even more interesting frameworks like Merb will problaby gain popularity 2008/2009. I think the reason you got ROR on your black list is that you have chosed side a long time ago - your .NET-skills might not be so interesting in the future eh? Who cares what Zed Shaw said/says? He’s just a furious programmer that get no job becuase he can’t cooperate with people – today that’s a no-no no matter how smart you are if you can’t cooperate with (other) programmers. Einstein was no douch nor a whining baby. According to some psychology experts to be smart is to manage your environment – does he really? He’ll regret that statement, because even if he got a lot of d*ckriders they need to ask theirselves if they dare to put him in an organisation – you know…where people collaborate.
Rails 2.0 is now realeased and I expect more people to go in that direction. To start up ASP.NET- or Java-website is time consuming and things are moving fast today (Web *VERSION_NR* days), so better use a framework that makes it natural to write DRY and self explainable code – Ruby is a more humane/semantic syntax – and ethics like testing and RESTful. Even more interesting frameworks like Merb will problaby gain popularity 2008/2009. I think the reason you got ROR on your black list is that you have chosed side a long time ago – your .NET-skills might not be so interesting in the future eh?

]]> By: Tim Lucas http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1474 Tim Lucas Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:40:12 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1474 I think the buzz around "Cloud Computing" may shift to distributed computing on your own infrastructure as a slew of tools are released which easily provide the same level of performance and scalability w/o the vendor dependence. I think the buzz around “Cloud Computing” may shift to distributed computing on your own infrastructure as a slew of tools are released which easily provide the same level of performance and scalability w/o the vendor dependence.

]]> By: Aaronontheweb http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1473 Aaronontheweb Fri, 04 Jan 2008 20:18:05 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1473 @Jamie, Yeah Amazon needs to expand to Europe; Europe's becoming a hotbed of startup activity in web-based domains and Amazon is missing out on an opportunity to capitalize on those new organizations. @Rob, Haha! I read through your blog entry (which I liked; I had ready about the CD Baby fiasco before) and a bunch of the comments; they weren't as negative as ones you'd see on a Digg comment thread, but yeah there were a lot of them. I find that when techies disagree with you about whether or not a programming language is "good," most of them try to split hairs with your argument or complain that "this is nothing new." I don't know why so many techies treat their programming language as a religion, then again, I don't know why so many of them have egos about the quality of their code. Personally, I use whatever tools will help me get the job done in the least amount of time with the best results for the time spent. @Jamie,

Yeah Amazon needs to expand to Europe; Europe’s becoming a hotbed of startup activity in web-based domains and Amazon is missing out on an opportunity to capitalize on those new organizations.

@Rob,

Haha! I read through your blog entry (which I liked; I had ready about the CD Baby fiasco before) and a bunch of the comments; they weren’t as negative as ones you’d see on a Digg comment thread, but yeah there were a lot of them.

I find that when techies disagree with you about whether or not a programming language is “good,” most of them try to split hairs with your argument or complain that “this is nothing new.” I don’t know why so many techies treat their programming language as a religion, then again, I don’t know why so many of them have egos about the quality of their code. Personally, I use whatever tools will help me get the job done in the least amount of time with the best results for the time spent.

]]> By: Rob Conery http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1470 Rob Conery Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:49:50 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1470 Great read - I really respect people who stick it out there like this and, with a nice balance, add some thoughtful reading to the blogosphere. Interesting thoughts on Rails - let's hope you don't get on Reddit or this may happen to you: http://blog.wekeroad.com/2007/10/10/imploding-rails-jesus-dhh-and-the-uncle-ben-principle/ Good stuff - keep it up :) Great read – I really respect people who stick it out there like this and, with a nice balance, add some thoughtful reading to the blogosphere.

Interesting thoughts on Rails – let’s hope you don’t get on Reddit or this may happen to you:

http://blog.wekeroad.com/2007/10/10/imploding-rails-jesus-dhh-and-the-uncle-ben-principle/

Good stuff – keep it up :)

]]> By: Terinea Weblog http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1468 Terinea Weblog Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:56:12 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1468 Enjoyed your list. Amazon's S3 needs data centres in Europe for more business to make use of this concept/technology. Jamie Enjoyed your list. Amazon’s S3 needs data centres in Europe for more business to make use of this concept/technology.

Jamie

]]> By: Geek Daily » Blog Archive » 8 Bold Predictions for Web 2.0 in 2008 http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1467 Geek Daily » Blog Archive » 8 Bold Predictions for Web 2.0 in 2008 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:12:10 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1467 [...] has posted some great predictions for 2008. It is an interesting list that would change the Web 2.0 landscape if they come [...] [...] has posted some great predictions for 2008. It is an interesting list that would change the Web 2.0 landscape if they come [...]

]]> By: Dave Ward http://www.marketing-ninja.com/social-media/8-bold-predictions-for-web-20-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-1455 Dave Ward Thu, 03 Jan 2008 01:50:51 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=285#comment-1455 I couldn't agree more about RoR. It strikes me as the Scientology of programming languages, with DHH playing Tom Cruise's role. I couldn’t agree more about RoR. It strikes me as the Scientology of programming languages, with DHH playing Tom Cruise’s role.

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