Comments on: DiscountASP.NET and Community Server do not mix, despite what DiscountASP.NET advertises http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/ The Gruesome Diary of an Online Marketer Tue, 01 Sep 2009 05:51:46 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Aaronontheweb http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-2435 Aaronontheweb Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:35:20 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-2435 Ross, Sorry to hear about that. DiscountASP.NET has great basic hosting for .NET applications, but they don't offer anything sufficient for enterprise CMS systems. Ross,

Sorry to hear about that. DiscountASP.NET has great basic hosting for .NET applications, but they don’t offer anything sufficient for enterprise CMS systems.

]]> By: Ross Nornes http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-2434 Ross Nornes Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:58:15 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-2434 Thank you for writing this article! I’m right now dealing with the same exact issue with DiscountASP,NET, but not with Community Server, but with Dot Net Nuke. Like Community Server, a Dot Net Nuke virgin install on startup will consume ~45 MB – 50 MB of memory, and with just a single user browsing it will consume about ~90MB - ~150MB of memory with no custom modules loaded. Even with all the standard best practices being implemented like disk caching vs memory caching, etc, to limit memory usage, a single default Dot Net Nuke install with a single user will use 100MB+ of memory. Like CS, DiscountASP.NET has a whole advertising page dedicated to how “ideal” and “compatible” they are with Dot Net Nuke, which neither can be true unless you never want any users on your site at all… Luckily, I’m still within my 30 day money back window, so hopefully I can get my full refund out of them, but I’m certainly going to be VERY vocal about this issue on blogs, news groups and web hosting message boards to hopefully help others from having this same issue. Thx again and nice website! Thank you for writing this article! I’m right now dealing with the same exact issue with DiscountASP,NET, but not with Community Server, but with Dot Net Nuke. Like Community Server, a Dot Net Nuke virgin install on startup will consume ~45 MB – 50 MB of memory, and with just a single user browsing it will consume about ~90MB – ~150MB of memory with no custom modules loaded. Even with all the standard best practices being implemented like disk caching vs memory caching, etc, to limit memory usage, a single default Dot Net Nuke install with a single user will use 100MB+ of memory.

Like CS, DiscountASP.NET has a whole advertising page dedicated to how “ideal” and “compatible” they are with Dot Net Nuke, which neither can be true unless you never want any users on your site at all…

Luckily, I’m still within my 30 day money back window, so hopefully I can get my full refund out of them, but I’m certainly going to be VERY vocal about this issue on blogs, news groups and web hosting message boards to hopefully help others from having this same issue.

Thx again and nice website!

]]> By: Jeff http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-2242 Jeff Wed, 12 Nov 2008 22:29:41 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-2242 I wish I found this post before I decided refer a client to DiscountAsp.NET. I was searching for information on how to resolve the exact same issue when using the Sitefinity CMS. I wish I found this post before I decided refer a client to DiscountAsp.NET. I was searching for information on how to resolve the exact same issue when using the Sitefinity CMS.

]]> By: Mike http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1940 Mike Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:07:43 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1940 We had the same issues with CS and Disconasp. We tried and worked with them but no real answer could be provided to us. We moved to Server Intellect and installed the CS. Works perfect. No more issues. We had the same issues with CS and Disconasp. We tried and worked with them but no real answer could be provided to us. We moved to Server Intellect and installed the CS. Works perfect. No more issues.

]]> By: Eric http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1272 Eric Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:07:54 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1272 The older versions of CS used to work on our hosting system. From my understanding, when CS 2007 came out we tested it and it worked on our system. Our tech team re-tested the latest CS2007 version and the base install does hit the high memory usage limit - so we took down all content about CS on our website. The older versions of CS used to work on our hosting system. From my understanding, when CS 2007 came out we tested it and it worked on our system. Our tech team re-tested the latest CS2007 version and the base install does hit the high memory usage limit – so we took down all content about CS on our website.

]]> By: Community Server Byte for November 4, 2007 - Dave Burke http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1236 Community Server Byte for November 4, 2007 - Dave Burke Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:06:18 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1236 [...] AjaxNinja posts how Community Server and DiscountASP.NET do not mix, as CS's memory footprint exceeds DiscountASP.NET's 100MB limit causing the App Pool to [...] [...] AjaxNinja posts how Community Server and DiscountASP.NET do not mix, as CS's memory footprint exceeds DiscountASP.NET's 100MB limit causing the App Pool to [...]

]]> By: Dave Burke http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1229 Dave Burke Tue, 13 Nov 2007 02:21:20 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1229 I felt bad that we couldn't get you the machinekey fix earlier, but you're right that app pool recycling would have to cause some performance issues. Thanks for following-up. I felt bad that we couldn’t get you the machinekey fix earlier, but you’re right that app pool recycling would have to cause some performance issues. Thanks for following-up.

]]> By: Aaronontheweb http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1225 Aaronontheweb Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:42:48 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1225 Stefan, I still think that DiscountASP.NET provides a high-quality hosting service and I'll continue using them, but they really do need to stop advertising that they support a platform which they clearly do not. David, The machine key fix will act as a work-around for the login/logout issue caused by the application pool recycling so thanks for the great resource! However, it won't fix the performance problems caused by having the app pool recycled every 5 minutes. The website was unbearably slow when I ran it. Stefan,

I still think that DiscountASP.NET provides a high-quality hosting service and I’ll continue using them, but they really do need to stop advertising that they support a platform which they clearly do not.

David,

The machine key fix will act as a work-around for the login/logout issue caused by the application pool recycling so thanks for the great resource! However, it won’t fix the performance problems caused by having the app pool recycled every 5 minutes. The website was unbearably slow when I ran it.

]]> By: Stefan Keir Gordon http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1210 Stefan Keir Gordon Fri, 09 Nov 2007 23:29:23 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1210 Your right, those discountASP people did the same thing to me. They are just being generally scumbags. I'm sure they do have other users running CS without a problem, but those users are undoubtedly running some much older versions. I'll likely put up a similar blog post and cross link you here. Your right, those discountASP people did the same thing to me. They are just being generally scumbags. I’m sure they do have other users running CS without a problem, but those users are undoubtedly running some much older versions. I’ll likely put up a similar blog post and cross link you here.

]]> By: Dave Burke http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1209 Dave Burke Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:01:23 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1209 That's too bad. If they allow you access to your web.config, you have access to your machinekey. It's a single line. You generate a key, stick it in the web.config. Here's a CS Bit on it. http://dbvt.com/csbits/archive/2007/05/23/an-ASP.NET-MachineKey-Generator.aspx If you search machinekey in CS Bits you'll find a lot of references about logouts. I'm sorry I did help you catch this before you removed CS2007. That’s too bad. If they allow you access to your web.config, you have access to your machinekey. It’s a single line. You generate a key, stick it in the web.config. Here’s a CS Bit on it.

http://dbvt.com/csbits/archive/2007/05/23/an-ASP.NET-MachineKey-Generator.aspx

If you search machinekey in CS Bits you’ll find a lot of references about logouts. I’m sorry I did help you catch this before you removed CS2007.

]]> By: Aaronontheweb http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1208 Aaronontheweb Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:54:58 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1208 I already uninstalled Community Server 2007 so I wouldn't be able to tell you :( Sounds like it would work. I'll go and check on DiscountASP.NET if they let you play around with the machinekey settings or not. I already uninstalled Community Server 2007 so I wouldn’t be able to tell you :(

Sounds like it would work. I’ll go and check on DiscountASP.NET if they let you play around with the machinekey settings or not.

]]> By: Dave Burke http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1207 Dave Burke Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:47:37 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1207 Ahhh, yes. The MachineKey trumps App Pool recycling. Thanks Ken! Let us know if this does the trick for you, Aaron. Ahhh, yes. The MachineKey trumps App Pool recycling. Thanks Ken! Let us know if this does the trick for you, Aaron.

]]> By: Ken Robertson http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1206 Ken Robertson Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:33:17 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1206 If all your users are being logged out, you should probably specify a machineKey in your web.config. An app pool recycling should never cause users to be logged out, however if no machineKeys are set at the application or server level, then it will randomly generate them. In that case, the recycling would cause new ones to be generated. If you just specify them in the CS web.config, the issue will go away. If all your users are being logged out, you should probably specify a machineKey in your web.config. An app pool recycling should never cause users to be logged out, however if no machineKeys are set at the application or server level, then it will randomly generate them. In that case, the recycling would cause new ones to be generated. If you just specify them in the CS web.config, the issue will go away.

]]> By: Community Server Byte for November 4, 2007 - Dave Burke http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1172 Community Server Byte for November 4, 2007 - Dave Burke Mon, 05 Nov 2007 03:20:03 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1172 [...] AjaxNinja posts how Community Server and DiscountASP.NET do not mix, as CS's memory footprint exceed's DiscountASP.NET's 100MB limit causing the App Pool to [...] [...] AjaxNinja posts how Community Server and DiscountASP.NET do not mix, as CS's memory footprint exceed's DiscountASP.NET's 100MB limit causing the App Pool to [...]

]]> By: Finds of the Week - Oct 31, 2007 » Chinh Do http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1162 Finds of the Week - Oct 31, 2007 » Chinh Do Fri, 02 Nov 2007 03:22:46 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1162 [...] DiscountASP.NET and Community Server do not mix, despite what DiscountASP.NET advertises (AjaxNinja, via AjaxNinja.com). [...] [...] DiscountASP.NET and Community Server do not mix, despite what DiscountASP.NET advertises (AjaxNinja, via AjaxNinja.com). [...]

]]> By: Dave Burke http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1157 Dave Burke Thu, 01 Nov 2007 02:30:01 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1157 Aaron, I really appreciate you posting this and the other accounts on CS Forums. That seems really high, as Chris says, but Dave Stokes says its normal (on a CS Forums thread you added to), so I believe it. I'm currently on a VPS, but before I was on WebHost4Life for at least two years, with CS almost the whole time. No 100MB limits there. Regards, -Dave Aaron, I really appreciate you posting this and the other accounts on CS Forums. That seems really high, as Chris says, but Dave Stokes says its normal (on a CS Forums thread you added to), so I believe it.

I’m currently on a VPS, but before I was on WebHost4Life for at least two years, with CS almost the whole time. No 100MB limits there.

Regards,
-Dave

]]> By: Chris Pietschmann http://www.marketing-ninja.com/hosting/discountaspnet-and-community-server-do-not-mix-despite-what-discountaspnet-advertises/comment-page-1/#comment-1155 Chris Pietschmann Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:07:58 +0000 http://www.ajaxninja.com/?p=230#comment-1155 Interesting... Now, I wonder what answer Telligent would give as to why CS2007 uses up so much memeory? Couldn't they optimize it to have a more minimal footprint? Interesting… Now, I wonder what answer Telligent would give as to why CS2007 uses up so much memeory? Couldn’t they optimize it to have a more minimal footprint?

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